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sky blue
2009-08-16 10:46:23 UTC
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Q: When a bookstore sells a textbook on credit is its earnings process
complete?


Can anyone tell me what this question is asking?
The structure of this sentence looks weird to me; I can't make any sense out
of it
especially when I see the way the answer is given.



The answer to that question is:
A: The bookstore can record sales for these books minus an amount expected
for returns.

This seems like a weird way to answer a "WHEN" question, without answering
"when".
Einde O'Callaghan
2009-08-16 12:25:27 UTC
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Post by sky blue
Q: When a bookstore sells a textbook on credit is its earnings process
complete?
Can anyone tell me what this question is asking?
The structure of this sentence looks weird to me; I can't make any sense
out of it
especially when I see the way the answer is given.
A: The bookstore can record sales for these books minus an amount
expected for returns.
This seems like a weird way to answer a "WHEN" question, without
answering "when".
This isn't a "when question - when introduces a subordinate time clause.
The sentence can be reformulated: "Is a bookstore's earnings process
complete when it sells a textbook on credit?"

So it's actually a "Yes/No" style question.

Einde O'Callaghan
Bob Cunningham
2009-08-16 17:51:06 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:25:27 +0200, Einde O'Callaghan
Post by Einde O'Callaghan
Post by sky blue
Q: When a bookstore sells a textbook on credit is its earnings process
complete?
Can anyone tell me what this question is asking?
The structure of this sentence looks weird to me; I can't make any sense
out of it
especially when I see the way the answer is given.
A: The bookstore can record sales for these books minus an amount
expected for returns.
This seems like a weird way to answer a "WHEN" question, without
answering "when".
This isn't a "when question - when introduces a subordinate time clause.
The sentence can be reformulated: "Is a bookstore's earnings process
complete when it sells a textbook on credit?"
So it's actually a "Yes/No" style question.
That's true, of course, but the sentence can be construed to be
ambiguous. The "when" can be taken to mean "while", so the sentence
as written can convey the question "Is a bookstore's earnings process
complete during the time that it is selling a textbook on credit?"

The apparently intended question can be conveyed less ambiguously by
writing "Is a bookstore's earnings process complete after it has sold
a textbook on credit?"

Come to think of it, the "when" can be retained while the ambiguity is
removed by changing the tense of "sell": "Is a bookstore's earnings
process complete when it has sold a textbook on credit?"
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Bob Cunningham, Southern California, USA. Western American English
Einde O'Callaghan
2009-08-16 20:25:40 UTC
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Post by Bob Cunningham
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:25:27 +0200, Einde O'Callaghan
Post by Einde O'Callaghan
Post by sky blue
Q: When a bookstore sells a textbook on credit is its earnings process
complete?
Can anyone tell me what this question is asking?
The structure of this sentence looks weird to me; I can't make any sense
out of it
especially when I see the way the answer is given.
A: The bookstore can record sales for these books minus an amount
expected for returns.
This seems like a weird way to answer a "WHEN" question, without
answering "when".
This isn't a "when question - when introduces a subordinate time clause.
The sentence can be reformulated: "Is a bookstore's earnings process
complete when it sells a textbook on credit?"
So it's actually a "Yes/No" style question.
That's true, of course, but the sentence can be construed to be
ambiguous. The "when" can be taken to mean "while", so the sentence
as written can convey the question "Is a bookstore's earnings process
complete during the time that it is selling a textbook on credit?"
The apparently intended question can be conveyed less ambiguously by
writing "Is a bookstore's earnings process complete after it has sold
a textbook on credit?"
Come to think of it, the "when" can be retained while the ambiguity is
removed by changing the tense of "sell": "Is a bookstore's earnings
process complete when it has sold a textbook on credit?"
I think the use of the present simple in the original instead of the
present continuous in your example makes the question less ambiguous,
however I would agree that there is some potential ambiguity.

The main purpose of my post was to correct the misapprehension of teh OP
who seemed to think it was a "When?" question, so I didn't comment on
any other aspect. I suspect the question comes from some sort of
textbook or similar text. Unfortunately many writers of textbooks may be
experts in their fields but they haven't always got any particular
talent as wirters and write prose that is full of ambiguities and in
some cases even inc0omprehensible without doing major reconstruction
work on some of their sentences.

Einde O'Callaghan

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