intringent

[Dapat kang maligò]

There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..

Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a source for
said definition?

Thanks
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degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is
worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a
miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so
by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a source for
said definition?

Fascinating. It doesn't appear in any of my dictionaries, including the
Latin one. There are some 83 Google hits, in some of which it seems to
be a mistake for "intrinsic", and in the rest of which it seems
incomprehensible. One of the hits is in French, and it seems
meaningless there, too: it's not in the big online French Academy
dictionary.

So, unless somebody knows better, I think it's a bogus word which some
people think they know and others have uncritically imitated.

[Dapat kang maligò]

I read the following;
http://www.op.gov.ph/speeches.asp?iid=47&iyear=2001&imonth=9

"The DOJ shall set up a special team to serve the special requirements of
the campaign including the speedy prosecution, deportation and extradition
of suspects. But even as we engage intringent tactical measures, we must
demonstrate the ascendency of the constitutional system and its capacity for
swift and impartial justice. "

The word felt familiar but I was not sure, I look and could find it nowhere
not even the Unabridged Dictionary. Yet the person who authored this speech
is the President of the Philippines who has;

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, born in April 5, 1947, was valedictorian
of her high school class at Assumption Convent, was consistently on the
Dean's List in Georgetown University in Washington DC, and graduated magna
cum laude at Assumption College. She obtained a Master's degree in Economics
from the Ateneo de Manila University and a doctorate degree in Economics
from the University of the Philippines.

Odd...

Thank you for your help.

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a source for
said definition?

Fascinating. It doesn't appear in any of my dictionaries, including the
Latin one. There are some 83 Google hits, in some of which it seems to
be a mistake for "intrinsic", and in the rest of which it seems
incomprehensible. One of the hits is in French, and it seems
meaningless there, too: it's not in the big online French Academy
dictionary.

So, unless somebody knows better, I think it's a bogus word which some
people think they know and others have uncritically imitated.

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Dapat kang maligò
I read the following;
http://www.op.gov.ph/speeches.asp?iid=47&iyear=2001&imonth=9
"The DOJ shall set up a special team to serve the special requirements of
the campaign including the speedy prosecution, deportation and extradition
of suspects. But even as we engage intringent tactical measures, we must
demonstrate the ascendency of the constitutional system and its capacity for
swift and impartial justice. "

[...]

In that case it's almost certainly a mistranscription of " in
stringent". What?..Oh, let's not bother about money just now: my agent
will talk about fees and so on. He's the one standing by the door with
a baseball bat.

[SherLok Merfy]

Dapat kang maligò wrote:
(...)

Post by Dapat kang maligò
intringent tactical measures

(...)
"intransigent" fits in the context. It means hard, adamant, or
uncompromising.

[Einde O'Callaghan]

Post by SherLok Merfy
(...)

Post by Dapat kang maligò
intringent tactical measures

(...)
"intransigent" fits in the context. It means hard, adamant, or
uncompromising.

I feel that many people have concentrated too much on the word without
considering the grammatical context. The original text was "But even as
we engage intringent tactical measures ..." The verb "engage" in the
only meaning consistent with the context isn't transitive, it requires
the preposition "in". This alone seems to confirm the idea that it is a
typo for "in stringent", as AFAIK the word "tringent" doesn't exist.

Regards, Einde O'Callaghan

[Mark Brader]

Post by Einde O'Callaghan
I feel that many people have concentrated too much on the word without
considering the grammatical context. The original text was "But even as
we engage intringent tactical measures ..." The verb "engage" in the
only meaning consistent with the context isn't transitive, it requires
the preposition "in". This alone seems to confirm the idea that it is a
typo for "in stringent"...

In *this* passage, yes.

[Einde O'Callaghan]

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Einde O'Callaghan
I feel that many people have concentrated too much on the word without
considering the grammatical context. The original text was "But even as
we engage intringent tactical measures ..." The verb "engage" in the
only meaning consistent with the context isn't transitive, it requires
the preposition "in". This alone seems to confirm the idea that it is a
typo for "in stringent"...

In *this* passage, yes.

It is precisely this context that I am considering - after all, that was
the OP's question. ;-)

Regards, Einde O'Callaghan

[Frank ess]

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a
source for said definition?

Fascinating. It doesn't appear in any of my dictionaries, including
the Latin one. There are some 83 Google hits, in some of which it
seems to be a mistake for "intrinsic", and in the rest of which it
seems incomprehensible. One of the hits is in French, and it seems
meaningless there, too: it's not in the big online French Academy
dictionary.
So, unless somebody knows better, I think it's a bogus word which some
people think they know and others have uncritically imitated.

In context, it looks to me as a mistranscription of " ... as we engage
_in stringent_ tactical measures ... ", not a very careful use of
"measures", but meaningful there.

"The DOJ shall set up a special team to serve the special requirements
of
the campaign including the speedy prosecution, deportation and
extradition
of suspects. But even as we engage intringent tactical measures, we
must
demonstrate the ascendency of the constitutional system and its
capacity for
swift and impartial justice. "

[SherLok Merfy]

Post by Frank ess
_in stringent_ tactical measures ... ", not a very careful use of
"measures", but meaningful there.

That's a more likely typo than what I said, and it sounds vaguely
familiar,
and I think "intransigent" is more meaningful, although "hard" is
better.
We're talking about a political speech though, so she isn't likely to
say "measures of war".

[Mark Brader]

Post by Mike Lyle
Fascinating. It doesn't appear in any of my dictionaries, including the
Latin one. There are some 83 Google hits, in some of which it seems to
be a mistake for "intrinsic", and in the rest of which it seems
incomprehensible. ...

There are actually only 14 hits that are not "very similar", though.
What struck me was the one hit that contrasts it with "extringent":

Sari, you may be on top of something ... to be obsessed with extringent
rewards related to physical observations rather than finding intringent
rewards by accomplishing somehting themselves . ...

Searching on "extringent" turns 8 hits -- which, oddly, do *not*
include the page I just cited. And this time most of them are in
legal contexts, including court rulings. Which makes me think that
both words are probably real, even if not in the online dictionaries.

So, anyone with an OED or the unabridged M-W handy?


As to the hits that in English *don't* seem to mean something like
"intrinsic" or "inwards", we've already seen the puzzling

But even as we engage intringent tactical measures, we must
demonstrate the ascendency of the constitutional system and its
capacity for swift and impartial ...

explained as "in stringent". Of the rest, I see these explanations:

... obscene or menacing character in any manners that will or may
constitute a criminal act or a violation of intringent of the rights
of any person, ...

"Of intringent" should be "or infringement".

LaRoque decides to make his position useful fer somethin and kicks
Cameo and Intringent to the curb fer failin ta keep you, the people,
glued to tha TV ...

Someone's stage name or a nickname assigned by this writer, possibly
misspelled.

Let us see how our President will be perceived since so far, our side
has been viewed as the intringent one by all including the EU and the
UN. ...

"Intransigent".

This is a place that is all "Morning Glory" as the sun rises over the
vast sweep of the moors, nature seems at peace with herself showing an
intringent ...

Well, the paragraph continues:

... range of moorland colour and newly awaken [sic --msb] wildlife
creatures, out in search of food.

This one just stumps me.

Post by Mike Lyle
One of the hits is in French, and it seems meaningless there, too...

That's this one:

Les autres intringent , se placent et magouillent . Tout ça avec de
longues amitiés ou inimitiés et dans une franche camaraderie . ...

I'm thinking it's a 2-character error for "intriguent" -- saying that
the other politicians are attempting intrigues against Chirac. I find
"magouiller" defined on the Web as "to scheme", which fits.


Thanks, that was fun.

[Mark Brader]

Post by Mark Brader

Post by Mike Lyle
Fascinating. It doesn't appear in any of my dictionaries, including the
Latin one. There are some 83 Google hits, in some of which it seems to
be a mistake for "intrinsic", and in the rest of which it seems
incomprehensible. ...

There are actually only 14 hits that are not "very similar", though.
Sari, you may be on top of something ... to be obsessed with extringent
rewards related to physical observations rather than finding intringent
rewards by accomplishing somehting themselves . ...
Searching on "extringent" turns 8 hits -- which, oddly, do *not*
include the page I just cited. And this time most of them are in
legal contexts, including court rulings. Which makes me think that
both words are probably real, even if not in the online dictionaries.

Hmm. I wonder if I accidentally put some sort of restriction on the
second search, there -- I now get 36 hits, not counting "very similar"
hits, for "extringent", and they do include the above page. Quite a
few of them seem to be mistakes for "astringent", and at least one
seems to be a mistake for "stringent", but there are enough that
seem to mean "external" that I stand by my previous conclusion.

[Ilpo]

Post by Mark Brader
Searching on "extringent" turns 8 hits -- which, oddly, do *not*
include the page I just cited. And this time most of them are in
legal contexts, including court rulings. Which makes me think that
both words are probably real, even if not in the online dictionaries.
So, anyone with an OED or the unabridged M-W handy?

Anyone with an internet connection can have the unabridged M-W handy,
at least for the time being. Just click the pile of books on the left
of the main page (m-w.com) and wade through a bunch of ads first. But
no luck this time: neither in- or extringent can be found there.

[Ilpo]

Post by Ilpo
no luck this time: neither in- or extringent can be found there.

Neither - nor, of course. Had either - or in the first place, then
changed "either" into "neither" and missed the "or".

[Mark Brader]

Post by Ilpo

... Which makes me think that
both words are probably real, even if not in the online dictionaries.
So, anyone with an OED or the unabridged M-W handy?

Anyone with an internet connection can have the unabridged M-W handy,
at least for the time being. ... But no luck this time: neither
in- or extringent can be found there.

Nor in the OED1 or OED Supplement, I find. (I don't have OED Online
access.)

I also tried my Cassell's New Latin Dictionary for possible Latin
roots of such words. Presumably the -(s)tring- part would come
from stringere, which is to draw tight together, with secondary
meanings such as strip off, pluck, unsheathe, or graze: Latin word
gives us a family of derivatives including "stringent", "strict",
"strain", and each of these with the prefix "con-".

You can imagine "instringent" meaning something like "drawn inside"
or "constrained inside". But the Latin dictionary does not have any
"instringere", "exstringere", or "extringere". Of course, the words could
have been constructed directly in English from the Latinate elements.

[Chris Croughton]

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:49:22 -0000, Mark Brader

Post by Mark Brader
I also tried my Cassell's New Latin Dictionary for possible Latin
roots of such words. Presumably the -(s)tring- part would come
from stringere, which is to draw tight together, with secondary
meanings such as strip off, pluck, unsheathe, or graze: Latin word
gives us a family of derivatives including "stringent", "strict",
"strain", and each of these with the prefix "con-".
You can imagine "instringent" meaning something like "drawn inside"
or "constrained inside". But the Latin dictionary does not have any
"instringere", "exstringere", or "extringere". Of course, the words could
have been constructed directly in English from the Latinate elements.

I like the way you think, it resembles the way I like to play with
derivations. Unfortunately I've been without reliable net access so
didn't get to join in earlier...

Chris C

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a source for
said definition?

Fascinating. It doesn't appear in any of my dictionaries, including the
Latin one. There are some 83 Google hits, in some of which it seems to
be a mistake for "intrinsic", and in the rest of which it seems
incomprehensible. One of the hits is in French, and it seems
meaningless there, too: it's not in the big online French Academy
dictionary.

Could it be "intransigent"?

My previous keyboard used to be a bit slow on the uptake, and occasionally
missed letters, especially things like ss and bb. "Stubborn" would come out as
""Stuborn", "message" would come out as "mesage" and things like that.

Post by Mike Lyle
So, unless somebody knows better, I think it's a bogus word which some
people think they know and others have uncritically imitated.

That too, but I think a typo is more likely

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Steve Hayes
Could it be "intransigent"?
My previous keyboard used to be a bit slow on the uptake, and
occasionally missed letters, especially things like ss and bb.
"Stubborn" would come out as ""Stuborn", "message" would come out as
"mesage" and things like that.

Post by Mike Lyle
So, unless somebody knows better, I think it's a bogus word which
some people think they know and others have uncritically imitated.

That too, but I think a typo is more likely

Of the interesting collection presented by Mark Brader, most examples
seem to be some sort of transcription error, which is not always the
same as a typo. My guess is that a typed copy of the speech was scanned,
someone went through to correct the inevitable errors (I've never had
much luck with OCR software), and failed to notice one error.

[tinwhistler]

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a source for
said definition?

I agree with the suggestion that the word is probably bogus. OED2 has
a rare word, "tring" with the following excerpt:

Any species of bird of the genus Tringa (which name is more frequent
in use), commonly called Sandpipers. So "tringine a., of or pertaining
to the genus Tringa;

"Intringent," if some reason required that it be recognized as a word,
would be a variant of "tringine a." [having to do with sandpiper birds].

[Mike Lyle]

Post by tinwhistler

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a source for
said definition?

I agree with the suggestion that the word is probably bogus. OED2 has
Any species of bird of the genus Tringa (which name is more frequent
in use), commonly called Sandpipers. So "tringine a., of or pertaining
to the genus Tringa;
"Intringent," if some reason required that it be recognized as a word,
would be a variant of "tringine a." [having to do with sandpiper birds].

That would be a good old stretch. If it were connected with the bird,
the meaning would have to be something like "inserting sandpipers".
Hmm.

[Miss Elaine Eos]

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a source for
said definition?

<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intringent>

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Miss Elaine Eos

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a source for
said definition?

<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intringent>

You mean the bit where it says "No entry found for _intringent_"? A
great leap forward, if I may say so.

[Miss Elaine Eos]

Post by Miss Elaine Eos

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a source for
said definition?

<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intringent>

You mean the bit where it says "No entry found for intringent "? A
great leap forward, if I may say so.

Read the very next line, and associated text; it's actually quite
helpful.

[Skitt]

Post by Miss Elaine Eos

Post by Miss Elaine Eos

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a
source for said definition?

<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intringent>

You mean the bit where it says "No entry found for intringent "? A
great leap forward, if I may say so.

Read the very next line, and associated text; it's actually quite
helpful.

It is? How? There's still no entry for "intringent" in any of the
dictionaries searched.

What's more, http://www.onelook.com/?w=intringent&ls=b does not find it
either, and it searches in many more dictionaries.

[Al in Dallas]

Post by Skitt

Post by Miss Elaine Eos

Post by Miss Elaine Eos

Post by Dapat kang maligò
There are a bunch of smart people here, I need some help..
Can anyone provide a definition for the word "intringent" and a
source for said definition?

<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intringent>

You mean the bit where it says "No entry found for intringent "? A
great leap forward, if I may say so.

Read the very next line, and associated text; it's actually quite
helpful.

It is? How? There's still no entry for "intringent" in any of the
dictionaries searched.
What's more, http://www.onelook.com/?w=intringent&ls=b does not find it
either, and it searches in many more dictionaries.

But aren't you ignoring that list of incorrect "suggestions"?