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Misogynist / Philogynist ...How about terms for the other half ??
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TheServerSide
2005-06-10 15:21:53 UTC
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Hello all,

Most (some) of us know:

Mysogynist - a man that hates women
Philogynist - a man that loves women

Anyone know the proper terms for women that love/hate men ??

thanks
Chris Croughton
2005-06-11 16:47:06 UTC
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On 10 Jun 2005 08:21:53 -0700, TheServerSide
Post by TheServerSide
Mysogynist - a man that hates women
It's 'misogynist' (surprises a lot of people that it uses 'i' instead of
'y'), and the reverse is 'misandry' / 'misandrist'.
Post by TheServerSide
Philogynist - a man that loves women
'Philandry' and 'philandrist' don't seem to exist, although the original
meaning of 'philanderer' was a "lover of men" (since it was Greek in
origin it was probably applied to men who loved men).
Post by TheServerSide
Anyone know the proper terms for women that love/hate men ??
See also philanthropist/misanthropist (liker and hater of people in
general).

Chris C
credoquaabsurdum
2005-06-11 20:39:30 UTC
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Post by Chris Croughton
'Philandry' and 'philandrist' don't seem to exist, although the original
meaning of 'philanderer' was a "lover of men" (since it was Greek in
origin it was probably applied to men who loved men).
In point of fact: "philos" = friend, "andros" = man. A philanderer was
a friend of man.


Now, note the word "pederast" or the extraordinarily illiterate
spelling, "paederast."

"Paidi" child
"Erastis" lover


Nothing wrong with philandering. The phenomenon of pedophilia then as
now was socially encouraged, but there was quite a bit wrong with
screwing little kids.

Extraordinarily different culture, completely different rules, and as
the spiritual children of the ancient Greeks we are, English speakers
have adopted those terms with extraordinarily different connotations.


The Greeks in Greece have absolutely no idea that Greece is considered
the spritual birthplace of politically-correct homosexuality. Men
loving men is far less acceptable here than elsewhere, and I've
actually had to warn a foreign, openly gay couple having a conversation
in the metro that a somewhat sinister group standing next to them in
the car was discussing the best way to jump them.

There is, however, far less reported violence against gay men here than
there is elsewhere, and I believe that there's less real violence as
well. Transvestites line Syngrou Avenue in Athens in the wee hours and
I have never gotten a whiff of anyone murdering one in my five years
here. I live two blocks away from Syngrou.

The same situation in a city of five million in the States, even in a
place like San Francisco, would be a dream come true.
Chris Croughton
2005-06-14 12:17:29 UTC
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On 11 Jun 2005 13:39:30 -0700, credoquaabsurdum
Post by credoquaabsurdum
Post by Chris Croughton
'Philandry' and 'philandrist' don't seem to exist, although the original
meaning of 'philanderer' was a "lover of men" (since it was Greek in
origin it was probably applied to men who loved men).
In point of fact: "philos" = friend, "andros" = man. A philanderer was
a friend of man.
Of 'man' (as in mankind) or of 'a man'? English would use
'philanthropist' for the former.
Post by credoquaabsurdum
Now, note the word "pederast" or the extraordinarily illiterate
spelling, "paederast."
"Paidi" child
"Erastis" lover
Presumably related to 'eros'?

(British spelling is 'paedophilia' -- from the derivation, both should
presumably be 'paido'. I still think that 'pedophilia' should mean
foot-fetishists...)
Post by credoquaabsurdum
Nothing wrong with philandering. The phenomenon of pedophilia then as
now was socially encouraged, but there was quite a bit wrong with
screwing little kids.
Er, socially /encouraged/? I don't think it's encouraged in either the
US or UK, at least...
Post by credoquaabsurdum
Extraordinarily different culture, completely different rules, and as
the spiritual children of the ancient Greeks we are, English speakers
have adopted those terms with extraordinarily different connotations.
Indeed.
Post by credoquaabsurdum
The Greeks in Greece have absolutely no idea that Greece is considered
the spritual birthplace of politically-correct homosexuality. Men
loving men is far less acceptable here than elsewhere, and I've
actually had to warn a foreign, openly gay couple having a conversation
in the metro that a somewhat sinister group standing next to them in
the car was discussing the best way to jump them.
Interesting. What about women loving women?
Post by credoquaabsurdum
There is, however, far less reported violence against gay men here than
there is elsewhere, and I believe that there's less real violence as
well. Transvestites line Syngrou Avenue in Athens in the wee hours and
I have never gotten a whiff of anyone murdering one in my five years
here. I live two blocks away from Syngrou.
People talk about it instead of actually doing the violence? That would
be a good attitude for the descendents of Plato...
Post by credoquaabsurdum
The same situation in a city of five million in the States, even in a
place like San Francisco, would be a dream come true.
Anywhere, indeed, I doubt if London can match it...

Chris C
credoquaabsurdum
2005-06-16 21:14:30 UTC
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Post by Chris Croughton
Of 'man' (as in mankind) or of 'a man'? English would use
'philanthropist' for the former.
Anthropos = human being
andros = man, with external genitalia
Men who like men and manly things...
Post by Chris Croughton
Post by credoquaabsurdum
Now, note the word "pederast" or the extraordinarily illiterate
spelling, "paederast."
"Paidi" child
"Erastis" lover
Presumably related to 'eros'?
Nai.
Post by Chris Croughton
(British spelling is 'paedophilia' -- from the derivation, both should
presumably be 'paido'. I still think that 'pedophilia' should mean
foot-fetishists...)
Now that's an interesting one. However, foot is "podo," as in
podiatrist. Podophilia with be liking feet, or having an interest in
feet. Podoerasts would
Post by Chris Croughton
Post by credoquaabsurdum
Nothing wrong with philandering. The phenomenon of pedophilia then as
now was socially encouraged, but there was quite a bit wrong with
screwing little kids.
Er, socially /encouraged/? I don't think it's encouraged in either the
US or UK, at least...
Oxi! Clearly I have managed to soar on unerring wings right past the
point. Pedophilia in its literal form in Greek would mean actually
liking little kids. You know, doing nice things for them? Stuff like
buying toys, bringing food home, feeling happy when you saw a group of
them playing...that sort of thing.
Post by Chris Croughton
Interesting. What about women loving women?
I have not met a single declared Lesbian or bisexual woman in Greece,
in five years of very public life as an English teacher. Such
activities are conducted very discreetly.
Post by Chris Croughton
Post by credoquaabsurdum
There is, however, far less reported violence against gay men here than
there is elsewhere, and I believe that there's less real violence as
well. Transvestites line Syngrou Avenue in Athens in the wee hours and
I have never gotten a whiff of anyone murdering one in my five years
here. I live two blocks away from Syngrou.
People talk about it instead of actually doing the violence? That would
be a good attitude for the descendents of Plato...
It would be nice if modern society in any form did not feel any need to
hurt or kill people because of sexual identity. Because I have never
met or even heard of a declared gay person in any position of real
social or corporate power here, either. At least that isn't true in the
USA or the UK.

Don't spread that "descendents of Plato" shit around! There's too much
of that Greek supremacist skata here already in the form of: "While my
ancestors were building the Parthenon, yours were painting their asses
blue and running around in the woods!" That's where that's led to here.
The whole purity of Greek blood question is almost as touchy.

Makria, makria! Anathema!

Jack Hamilton
2005-06-12 03:04:03 UTC
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Post by Chris Croughton
'Philandry' and 'philandrist' don't seem to exist, although the original
meaning of 'philanderer' was a "lover of men" (since it was Greek in
origin it was probably applied to men who loved men).
I'm not sure why you say they don't seem to exist. Google finds hits.



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Chris Croughton
2005-06-14 12:03:36 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:04:03 -0700, Jack Hamilton
Post by Jack Hamilton
Post by Chris Croughton
'Philandry' and 'philandrist' don't seem to exist, although the original
meaning of 'philanderer' was a "lover of men" (since it was Greek in
origin it was probably applied to men who loved men).
I'm not sure why you say they don't seem to exist. Google finds hits.
Google finds hits on anything! Since many people mis-spell or mis-type
words, Google will find them, and then someone looking for the spelling
with Google will find the incorrect one and will copy it (or they'll
search for what they think is right, see that there are other people who
use it and think it's right). For instance, there are over 650 thousand
hits on 'seperated' (over 26 million for the correct spelling,
'separated').

It's not called the "net of a million lies" for nothing...

Neither the OED nor the US dictionaries have 'Philandry' or
'philandrist'.

Chris C
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